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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #1 Today at 9:59pm »
Given that I am even too cheap to pay for cheap plastic track the hardstanding area hasnt even got any track !!
Step 1
Build up the baseboard to the under rail height (1/2" ply)
Step 2
Add some strips of 1/4" ply to create a rail edge
After checking a wagon rolled well in the newly create "rails"
Step 3
A further strip of plywood between the rails, some extra ply outboard of the rails to extend the concrete area, then dark brown paint in the rail groove, and a combination of 3 grey paints for a start of a concrete look.
At some point the rail top silver paint will be continued along the wooden edge so it doesn't look like the wheels are running on concrete !
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Re: Cheap non DCC sound « Result #2 Today at 9:45pm »
Prices may change with exchange rate but i ordered a steam card today at quoted price., I don't think they are meant to be faithful reproductions of particular locos, but they are considerably cheaper than Howes
Re: Cheap non DCC sound « Result #3 Today at 7:18pm »
Who might be interested in the 'Western Sound' then John !!!
Had a look at the site, purely out of idle curiosity of course.... not sure if the 'Warship' sound is fully reproduced but it may be poor video quality...and we will have to wait for prices.
Has anyone else noted the shortage of DCC soundchips? Howes are awaiting supplies as are DCC Supplies.....
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Re: February Freebie- HO and O "Whistle Stop" « Result #7 Today at 1:22pm »
Gents, If you go to www.kitforums.com , scroll down to "Our Partner" , and go to the Clever Models section, you will see a photo oif the Flagstop built up! It is on page 10.........Jim
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Re: Mid Cheshire MRS « Result #8 Today at 11:50am »
Video now on YouTube, I've not added a music sound track because the last train featured has digital sound. Yes, I know, I don't like sound but this one is different... No horn, bells, whistle, brakes screaching... Just the loco, working lightly as it pulls its short train.
It is often forgotten how long it took to repair bomb damage in urban areas, a feature that we would do well to include in our steam/diesel transition era layouts sometimes.
The Q Stock and other contempory electric units always look foreign to me, as a Northerner I'm unfamiliar with the older Underground trains anyway but I think it's the lack of buffers and the straight (no tumblehome) sides that really convey the difference. This picture could be in a US city rather than London.
Interesting colours too, almost as if the image is originally monochrome and the train has been coloured in afterwards.
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1960s London Underground « Result #10 Yesterday at 11:05pm »
Hi all,
Been scanning some slides of London Underground in the 1960s that were left to me:
Metropolitan Line 1920s 'F' Stock on an Uxbridge service at Moorgate (still bomb-damaged in the early 60s).
District Line 4-car 'Q' stock train at Ealing Common Depot with a Q27 Driving Motor, Q38 Trailer, Q31 Trailer, and Q35 Driving Motor.
District Line Q27 heading a Bank Holiday only working Whitechapel-Putney via north side of Circle Line at Farringdon, apart from the train, this scene hasn't changed!!
Ex LT Standard Stock repainted in BR Blue for Isle of Wight service with 043 heading a test train at speed(!) through Surbiton on 13 July 1966.
Not LT, but the last surviving LNWR Oerlikon electric unit as the Stonebridge Park Depot Shunter.
The (then) New Kid on the Block!! Metropolitan Line A60 unit going through the wash at Neasden Depot.
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Re: Mid Cheshire MRS « Result #11 Yesterday at 10:59pm »
I have just spent a most enjoyable evening in Winsford. Work is progressing on the O scale and OO scale layouts along with a new N scale model based on Middlewich.
Dinas Junction (O)
Middlewich (N)
Video to follow when edited and uploaded via Youtube.
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Website Outage 9/2/10 « Result #12 Yesterday at 10:36pm »
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #14 Yesterday at 12:15pm »
Perhaps some clarification of the left hand fiddleyard and its functions would not go amiss. Spot 4 (above) is supposed to be the end of a spur serving the Wasp Slipper Corp. On the layout it is a disconnected track, to be reached via use of a Peco Loco Lift in the off stage area. Spot 6 (below) is supposedly a spur to the coal trestle which doubles as a switch lead for the RIP track. In actual fact it is the outer end of the front line on the traverser but this can hold two cars while still leaving room for the passenger train to run off stage on the same track. While not being part of the scenic model the coal trestle provides an extra destination for traffic and the hoppers en-route to and from the trestle do appear on stage as part of the layout's operations.
The use of traversers may be something of an enigma for newcomers to the hobby. They are great space savers on small layouts and CP Arundale has one at each end. These are, obviously, unprototypical but will be hidden by the overbridges. This video may make their function a little clearer.
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #15 Yesterday at 2:39am »
Jack kindly pointed out that I had the bridges skewed the wrong way. Put it down to lack of sleep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I've re-drawn the plan with the bridges in the correct angles.
CP Arundale Traffic Planning The numbers on the plan refer to the traffic list below.
1. United Trucking, any car type (off stage, end of spur). 2. Cromlech Distribution (loading dock) boxcars. 3. Cromlech Distribution (yard), boxcars/gondolas. 4. Wasp Slipper Corp, boxcars. 5. Switch lead for WSC, formerly site of Crossley Automotive Works (off stage). 6. Coal Trestle, hoppers (off stage, traverser, front track). 7. RIP Track, any car type. 8. Depot, passenger trains.
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Cheap non DCC sound « Result #16 on Feb 7, 2010, 10:06pm »
I came across this supplier on "G scale central" forum.
It is a sound unit that can be used on DC, or DCC
On DC Tick over sound when not moving is provided by a battery supply Once the track voltage reaches 2 volts the sound increases to match the loco speed.
They are available in Steam, and two variants of diesel
When you click on how to purchase it currently says they will be available to the UK in January 2010. But I have been in contact with them and they will be available very soon and they are expected to sell for £35
The larger scale versions have had good comments made on "G scale central" and watching the sample video they seem pretty good.
Another interesting idea is putting one unit in a trailing wagon or on a small layout fitting it to the layout rather than a loco.
Im looking at them for in the playmo stuff as they run from a 6v battery and I have plenty of room to fit the additional battery for non moving noise. I thing they would also be good for On30 stuff, but it may be fun getting them into an OO loco. That said i can think of at least one person ho will be interested in the "Western"
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Re: An open letter to Cheshire East Council « Result #18 on Feb 7, 2010, 9:04pm »
Spot on, Bob.
I thought that a request had been put in to put a curtain above the partition to keep the dust in the workshop area? How effective that would be is a matter of conjecture.
Piddo, as far as I know at the moment Waterman just pays rent to the site i.e. piggybacks on the museum charity.
I don't know the rules, but presumably there must be a limit to this sort of thing, otherwise every High St. retailler would register their shop in the name of a charitable trust and avoid paying business rates.
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #19 on Feb 7, 2010, 4:10pm »
At 4ft long Perejil just reaches across, as did Cotton Lane, but CP Arundale (5ft) sits firmly on both sides with no danger of slipping off, it was in that position while I was hammering in the trackpins, I'd not have risked that with a shorter board.
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #22 on Feb 7, 2010, 3:50pm »
The short spur will be wired but in practice I think an 050 switcher will suffice as only half a car will be visible on the scenic section of the layout.
I have been weighing up what will fit between the two bridges, industry wise, and have gone for the following (left to right): 1. Cannery and Packing plant (full relief buildings). 2. Easton Mill (flat on backscene with yard area between it and the spur). 3. Plasticville Factory (low relief with loading dock partially under the overpass). These industries will be built on a sub-base/backscene as my entry in the 300 Project.
Then a start was made on track laying, first up was digging a trench for the point rodding (wire in tube).
Then the track was cut to length and pinned down, starting at the points. The front (passenger) line has not been fastened down yet as I need to determine the exact travel of the traversers once the fascia boards are made.
At this stage I had a play with the layout, shunting some stock around by hand. It turns out that the passenger line needs to be used during shunting when there are five cars on the layout and the one at the far end of the industrial spur needs to be moved. Rather than block the front road with stock I have decided to add another short spur, between the front road and the baseboard edge, for stabling stock during shunting. Access to this spur requires a switchback move from rear line to traverser, to front line, to traverser (front line) and then to the spur. All adding extra moves and interest to the small layout.
The theoretical layout of CP Arundale is shown below, which should make the switchback move a little clearer.
Re: An open letter to Cheshire East Council « Result #23 on Feb 7, 2010, 3:20pm »
You have my support Bob !
I have always thought that with the rich railway heritage that Crewe has, it surely deserves more by way of a museum than the current setup.
Just one point, do we know that Mr Waterman does not pay a commercial rent?? He may well be paying and, as we all know, Cash is so important to local authorities.
I suppose only time will tell; but do you think the painted rail surfaces will last, John? I'd imagine the wear from wheels would soon spoil the effect.
1) More a modeler than an operator use will be limited if I am totally honest !
2) Enamel paints dry pretty hard, and the wheels roll not drag
Re: CP Arundale « Result #25 on Feb 7, 2010, 2:09pm »
If you use that [new] track as a storage track for excess stock and are moving it on and off with the locolift, a wagon could always be pulled into sight by a trackmobile - just change it at odd intervals - which would certainly keep Mums and kids intrigued. Give it a seperately switched power feed if you aren't going for DCC. It would also give you an extra [invisible] off-scene industry.
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #26 on Feb 7, 2010, 1:56pm »
I have painted (N and OO) gauge) dead frogs in the past. Wheel wear didn't seem too much of a problem, it was track cleaning that made repaints necessary. Of course John's track won't need this though as it doesn't provide the power to the trains.
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #27 on Feb 7, 2010, 1:30pm »
I suppose only time will tell; but do you think the painted rail surfaces will last, John? I'd imagine the wear from wheels would soon spoil the effect.
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Re: An open letter to Cheshire East Council « Result #28 on Feb 7, 2010, 1:21pm »
Might be an idea to point out to them that the annual CRM Exhibition has become extremely popular, both in terms of visitors and Internet coverage (other Forums in particular) and what a shame that just as it has become established as a popular event it is going to have to move to smaller, less suitable facilities...
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An open letter to Cheshire East Council « Result #32 on Feb 7, 2010, 10:14am »
To the Arts and Museums Department at Cheshire East Council (arts@cheshireeast.gov.uk)
Quote:
Dear Sir or Madam.
I am writing to express my concern regarding the misuse of Crewe Heritage Centre. This site is supposed to be the town's museum, not an industrial workshop. Increased use of the main exhibition hall by Waterman Railways is doing neither the museum's, nor the town's, public appeal any good and the greasy dirt settling on the exhibits in the hall is hardly likely to encourage visitors to return. There is a dedicated building for maintenance and restoration work located next to the exhibition hall, any dirty work should be confined to this building and the exhibition hall should not be contaminated by such works.
For the past three years I have organised an exhibition at the museum, raising funds jointly for the venue and St Luke's Hospice in Winsford, but I am no longer willing to support Crewe Heritage Centre while it continues to be misused. I would imagine that several other potential exhibition organisers may well be put off by the current state of the venue as well, this will lead to a notable drop in revenue as well as a general failure to encourage visitors to the site and the town.
The centre was not built for a private company to make money out of, it belongs to the town and should be returned to use for its proper purpose. As Waterman Railways continue to abuse the museum facilities they should be charged a commercial rent and this money used to support what remains available for public access, but in the long term Waterman Railways should be looking for more suitable accommodation.
I understand that Waterman Railways informed council representatives that their extended use of the exhibition hall would create additional interest for the public by showing restoration work in progress. Just how is this meant to happen please? The museum is only open at weekends, while Waterman Railways work Monday to Friday, and even if the public were in the museum while work was being carried out all they can see is an eight feet high partition.
From what Mr Waterman says the public could be forgiven for thinking that he owns the site and his work is of a purely benevolent nature, this could not be further from the truth.
Please give us back our museum, it would be of so much more interest to the public if it could encourage increased contribution of displays from the likes of the local football team and industries such as Whitby Morrison, Air Products and Bentley Motors to reflect Crewe's diversity, especially with the decline of the railway's influence on the town.
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #34 on Feb 7, 2010, 9:28am »
Well spotted, I had never noticed that before, but now you mention it ! Looking now I also see an additional wing further down on the same side that wouldnt normally be there, but I cant loose it as it make up for the fact that only the curved blade moves.
I will certainly add one as suggested though. Thanks
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #35 on Feb 7, 2010, 7:51am »
It's quite amazing what a lick of paint can do, but the pictures still looked wrong for some reason. It took a while for the penny to drop but there are no wing rails on he straight route at the frog. I know you're intending to bury a lot of the trackwork in paving but it might be worthwhile making wing rails anyway as they will show through the tarmac. I don't suppose the clearances will be too critical, stock already negotiates the points without them so the're just for cosmetic purposes.
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #36 on Feb 7, 2010, 7:15am »
If you have been following along you may have been looking at that awful palymobil plastic track and thought "RJR has lost his mind"
Well hopefully stage 1 of the track upgrade should be of interest.
I have been experimenting, I started off painting the whole lot with a chocolate brown rattle can. Then attempt 1 I picked out all the rail including their sides with silver (brushed) That looked too silver, took too long and I realised I would end up rusting or darkening the rail sides anyway. So I then tried just painting the rail tops. This looked better but the brown was wrong. Final process sequence.
Spray Chocolate. Dry. Brush tops with Humbrol "steel" while still wet wash sides and sleeper tops with slightly diluted "sleeper grime"
Its not perfect, will look better when ballasted to hide the moulded ballast, I also plan to add some chairs and fishplates.
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Re: February Freebie- HO and O "Whistle Stop" « Result #37 on Feb 6, 2010, 7:29pm »
Bob, You could be correct! However, I took the message from another forum where this is the "new" posting for February. Don't kow............maybe the boys at Clever are having a "senior moment"! Jim
You could do what I do and risk domestic strife by using the kitchen as a workshop... OK, perhaps not such a good idea.
If I tried that, I wouldn't live long enough to actually suffer much domestic strife...
Can't say as I've had much trouble with things 'not sticking' in my shed, though I do tend to leave things like painting and scenics to warmer times (which is why I don't get much done... ). Main trouble I have is with things contracting in the cold; rails is an obvious one, but even plastics can shrink quite a bit in very low temperatures- and then expand again if/when it's too hot... I'm not sure which is worse, actually; too cold or too hot? Keeping things dry is the most important thing, I find. It's just another "challenge" of the hobby, I suppose...
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #39 on Feb 6, 2010, 4:57pm »
It is my intention that everything above platform level will be removable for transport and storage. This works well with the Asilo On30 module and is a great space saver at home. The bridges will incorporate the fascia boards for the fiddleyards but the two sections will interlock for storage. The low relief factory will be attached to the backscene and slot in between the two bridges once they are in place on the layout. Stripwood along the front and rear of the baseboard will act as a locating aid for the lift off sections as can be seen in the picture below. The bridge/main fiddleyard fascia is under construction, it looks like a bodge job at the moment but the bridge deck and end backscene will hide that. Also shown in the photo above is an extra track under the left hand bridge. This will be accessed using a Peco loco lift when required but will not be used much and is more of a scenic feature added to fill the gap behind the points.
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Re: CRM Summer Meeting? « Result #40 on Feb 6, 2010, 4:45pm »
Hi Peter. 16x3's probably a bit too big for the venue if we're going to have our modules on display but a demo table may go down well... And give you an excuse to get some track building done at the same time.
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Re: CRM Summer Meeting? « Result #41 on Feb 6, 2010, 2:48pm »
Hi Bob If the dates are in July or 31st/1st Aug I am free Could bring Porth Eithin (16ft x 3ft) or give a demonstration on Track work or Building if it will help Peter
Re: End to End Design - Walverston « Result #42 on Feb 6, 2010, 2:23pm »
Initial painting of the track is now complete before I start the ballasting. I used a mix of 80% Burnt Umber and 20% Payne's Grey slightly diluted for airbrushing.
Once ballasted I will go over it all again to weather it all with a thin coat that I will mix to be rather greyer/darker.
Ooops. It's happen a good job I allowed some leeway and only added up to 18 feet when including Calle dlC or Perejil.
On reflection maybe Rio Paleta would be better than the Perejil option though, the former is a foot shorter and the latter a pig to haul around anyway because it's so heavy!
From memory of previous shows at Rainhill I'm pretty sure the tables there are in two sizes, 4 and 5 feet long. We should be able to juggle the arrangement to get a suitable support without going beyond the overall length. Didn't a 6ft table stick out about a foot beyond the end of the right hand F/Y at Uppermill? If so a shorter table should be a perfect(ish) fit.
the overlap on forks is 7 1/2 inch so a 5 ft or 4ft table will be ok as i used a 4 ft table at one end at uppermill
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Re: Lawndale RR « Result #44 on Feb 6, 2010, 10:01am »
You could do what I do and risk domestic strife by using the kitchen as a workshop... OK, perhaps not such a good idea.
At least your ground cover materials are now well mixed, albeit with extra bits off the shed floor and some dried glue maybe, but definitely well mixed.
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Re: Lawndale RR « Result #45 on Feb 6, 2010, 9:55am »
It's all going horribly wrong!!!
Just before the snow came, I spread PVA all over the board and emptied my scatter cocktail all over it, then left it.
Three weeks of snow, wind, frost and down to -8 C in the garage it was cold, very cold!!! A week after everything thawed, I lifted the board to remove the excess and guess what? Nothing stayed on the board.
Damn, blast and bu99er - wait till it warms up and try again!!!
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Re: Rainhill 6&7 March 2010 « Result #46 on Feb 6, 2010, 9:22am »
After some consideration I think the following list offers the best options using three modules and two fiddleyards, "(b)" indicates a 4 inch bridge section.
3a. F/Y (b) Orange Growers (b) Calle de la Coronacion (b) Forks Trestle F/Y = 20ft 3b. F/Y Forks Trestle (b) Orange Growers (b) Calle de la Coronacion (b) F/Y = 20ft 3c. F/Y (b) Calle de la Coronacion (b) Orange Growers (b) Forks Trestle F/Y = 20ft 3d. F/Y Forks Trestle (b) Calle de la Coronacion (b) Orange Growers (b) F/Y = 20ft
We can alter the line up before the show opens on Sunday morning to get a different selection from Saturday's layout, or just re-arrange the three chosen modules to offer a different layout anyway.
My own favourite selection for a choice of three modules would be option 1. Option 3 may give some difficulty squeezing into the given 20ft pitch but if we have Asilo and/or Rio Paleta on hand as spare modules we can fall back on one of the other options should the need arise.
Unfortunately the Rainhill options exclude RJR Shed and Perejil. I know that the shed is an ideal place for parking spare locos on show but, ideally, the section between the fiddleyards needs to be as long as possible. The shed and my mountain scene will definitely be included at Dukinfield because the organisers there are keen on the modular idea and have assured us of a long pitch in the refectory area.
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Re: Rainhill 6&7 March 2010 « Result #47 on Feb 6, 2010, 1:57am »
Ooops. It's happen a good job I allowed some leeway and only added up to 18 feet when including Calle dlC or Perejil.
On reflection maybe Rio Paleta would be better than the Perejil option though, the former is a foot shorter and the latter a pig to haul around anyway because it's so heavy!
From memory of previous shows at Rainhill I'm pretty sure the tables there are in two sizes, 4 and 5 feet long. We should be able to juggle the arrangement to get a suitable support without going beyond the overall length. Didn't a 6ft table stick out about a foot beyond the end of the right hand F/Y at Uppermill? If so a shorter table should be a perfect(ish) fit.
Re: James37420's entry « Result #49 on Feb 5, 2010, 11:35pm »
Hours: 218.5
No photos today, will take some tomorrow, more water has gone in but not as much as liked- this 300 hours lark is tough! Ive also been building some small details so we'll see how it goes!
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #52 on Feb 5, 2010, 8:46pm »
Work on the baseboard is not up to my usual pace but I now have the traversers cut to size and in place so I've mocked up the scenic area to see what it would look like.
Viewed from the front we see the railcar stood at the station while a local freight on the middle track is waiting to run round.
Once the passenger train has departed 9611 draws forward, out of sight under the right hand bridge, then returns on the front track. She will run under the left hand bridge before reappearing on the middle track ready to switch the cars as required.
An aerial view shows how there is plenty of room, even on a 12 inch wide board, for three tracks plus the station platform at the front and a low relief industrial building at the rear. Freight trains are limited to two cars (local trip workings) by the length of the main traverser. The industrial spur runs alongside the secondary traverser and holds three cars so switching the layout will still provide some interesting moves, especially as the front track must be kept clear for passenger operations and may not be used for storing cars during switching.
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Re: Rainhill 6&7 March 2010 « Result #54 on Feb 5, 2010, 8:21pm »
We're in a straight line at Rainhill, so the corner board may have to make its debut elsewhere, but you can always bring it as an additional display if there's room.
We have twenty feet of space allocated but this may not all be usable because of Forks Trestle hanging between two tables so the options below are not aiming for the full total but will give a reasonable variety.
Option 1 Fiddleyard + Forks + fiddleyard (approx 10ft) + Orange Growers (3ft) = 13ft + Calle de la Coronacion (4ft) = 17ft, with bridge sections should make about 18ft.
F/Y, Forks, Oranges, Calle de la C, F/Y
Option 2 Fiddleyard + Forks + fiddleyard (approx 10ft) + Orange Growers (3ft) = 13ft + Perejil Apartadero (4ft) = 17ft, with bridge sections should make about 18ft.
F/Y, Forks, Oranges, Perejil, F/Y
Option 3 Fiddleyard + Forks + fiddleyard (approx 10ft) + Orange Growers (3ft) = 13ft + Asilo (2½ft) = 15½ft, with bridge sections should make about 16½ft.
F/Y, Forks, Oranges, Asilo, F/Y
Option 4 RJR Shed (3ft) + Fiddleyard + Forks + fiddleyard (approx 10ft) = 13ft + Calle de la Coronacion (4ft) = 17ft, with bridge sections should make about 18ft.
RJR, F/Y, Forks, Calle de la C, F/Y
Option 5 RJR Shed (3ft) + Fiddleyard + Forks + fiddleyard (approx 10ft) = 13ft + Asilo (2½ft) = 15½ft, with bridge sections should make about 16½ft.
RJR, F/Y, Forks, Asilo, F/Y
Whichever way we put them together we'll have three scenic sections and a pair of fiddleyards. If you lads have any preference please let me know. I would actually be in favour of presenting a different line up on Saturday and Sunday.
Following experience at Crewe I'd suggest we go for analogue operation this time, allowing the driver to get out front with the remote control and have a better view of what's happening along the line.
Well done Brian. How about following it up with a list of exhibition appearances? Rainhill - Saturday & Sunday 6th & 7th March. Mansfield - Saturday & Sunday 17th & 18th April. Dukinfield - Saturday & Sunday 8th & 9th May. Wheelock - Date t/b/a. Romiley - Saturday 11th September. Possibly Hagley in October? (I intend to take some modules).
i did that Bob plus put links to your & my youtube vids of it at uppermill
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Re: Forks Trestle on front page of UkOn30 Yahoo gr « Result #56 on Feb 5, 2010, 6:15pm »
Well done Brian. How about following it up with a list of exhibition appearances? Rainhill - Saturday & Sunday 6th & 7th March. Mansfield - Saturday & Sunday 17th & 18th April. Dukinfield - Saturday & Sunday 8th & 9th May. Wheelock - Date t/b/a. Romiley - Saturday 11th September. Possibly Hagley in October? (I intend to take some modules).
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Re: 45mm "G" indoor (micro) module « Result #57 on Feb 5, 2010, 5:19pm »
Evening all, Got some stuff done in a late afternoon session... Not sure which thread to put them in so here will do, !!!
The G layout now has the dowels fitted and all 3 lines that cross the joint are done, Im waiting for my 2 extra points to arrive at the moment though !
And here they are, stored in the shed
A view you dont often see
A finally the little loco need to stretch its legs
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Ferrocarril Internacional - Module Specifications. « Result #61 on Feb 5, 2010, 4:35pm »
We have adopted a standard depth of four inches between track and table. This allows low road or river bridges within the confines of the modules, or even just tracks running in embankments for evocative low angle photos. The ½ inch ply is still acceptable though, as John says it can be blocked up to match the others by placing a 3½" support under each end. In practice the modules will probably need some form of lifting to compensate for sagging tables anyway.
A bigger trestle bridge , as proposed by Brian, can be on a single dropped section suspended between the tables in the same manner as Nick's river crossing on the OO modules. However, it should be noted that only one drop-down section per layout is permitted, it being virtually impossible to match the tables to the modules otherwise.
For other standards - The four inch long inter-module bridge sections seem to work well with OO so we'll stick to them and the module size at roughly 3x1 feet will be OK for the narrow gauge models but if anyone wants to stretch to four feet by 18 inches I don't see any problems there. Electrical arrangements identical to the OO, two wires to back up the fishplate connections. Backscenes, a matter of personal choice. I'm happy with a height of 6 to 9 inches even in the larger scale but if you want to go higher that's up to you. The backscenes should wrap around the ends though to box in each module as a separate scene from its neighbours.
The inter-module connections are 4 inch long bridge sections, attached at each end by fishplates, this means that the rail ends should be flush with the basebaord ends and should be capable of sliding a fishplate onto each one.
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Re: Deadmans Curve(working title) « Result #66 on Feb 4, 2010, 11:17pm »
Embankment with a small stream passing through a culvert or bridge? Heavily wooded would look best for a module without a backscene (designed to work either way a la JRM Industrial) but if you're going to fit removable backscenes then open grassland would look good, there are no other sections of the Ferrocarril Internacional with similar scenery and it could be either prairies or pampas (Curva De Los Muerto Hombres).
Incidentally, the prairies are not as flat as they are often depicted but are in fact rolling countryside.
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Welsh Slate Museum Show « Result #69 on Feb 3, 2010, 10:13pm »
Members may like to know that I will be having two of my layouts at the above show at LLanberis between the 18th Feb. to 21st Feb. Under the guise of the South Caernarfon Model railway Group my two layouts will be Great Tunsley Dale 28ft x 11ft 00 16,5 mm fine scale based on Tunstead Quarries in Derbyshire. It will be running in the modern image era. The other is Porth Penrhyn 16ft long based on the harbour terminus on the narrow gauge line from Bethesda Quarries here in North Wales. It is 009/00 4mm layout. There will also be my trade stand together with three others and a further 6 approx layouts, live steam outside from 71/4 to two foot . It is a very good show with lots to see and admission is FREE. Peter
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #71 on Feb 3, 2010, 5:33pm »
Slight change of plan with CP Arundale...
Given the adequate training and the correct tools for the job I can show my complete incompetance to the best of my ability. Due to an error while building the baseboard the layout will now be a mirror image (as shown above, viewed from the operator's side) of the previous plan. It's a good job I'd not gone and bought the points first isn't it?
Actually, this works out better because I'm right handed and the main traverser is now to my right when operating from behind the layout, this should make exchanging freight cars between trips easier. It's an ill wind that blows no good.
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Re: High Ercall 20 March 2010 « Result #72 on Feb 3, 2010, 1:32pm »
Might have been a long trek from RJR-Land too John, about an hour and twenty mins from here according to Multimap.
Paul went to Donnington with his modules last year, it's about the same distance as that. If James is available with Bradley Junc he might enjoy the day out.
But, if there's nobody else available, I still have custody of both sections of the passing loop, Dead Centre not having been taken back to John's since Birkenhead show, so I'm sure I can fill any pitch they offer us.
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Re: High Ercall 20 March 2010 « Result #75 on Feb 3, 2010, 10:12am »
Contrary to the initial invitation we now have an allocation of just 12x2, not a lot of room for the modules! I have replied that we can offer CL Junction and the non scenic fiddleyard plus Park Hall (because it is a Shropshire station it is fitting that it be included), leaving room for just a small module so that would be either East Cheam or Whempers Hollow.
If any member is particularly keen to attend this show with a single module I'll withdraw Park Hall but I think a three foot long board will mean there'll not be room for the third scenic section.
Re: Deadmans Curve(working title) « Result #77 on Feb 2, 2010, 8:20pm »
today i have picked up the timber for the board but before i can make a start i need to build my 7 year old son a small shunting layout with him for his birthday Which is tomorrow
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Re: Vehicle Lifts from K'nex « Result #78 on Feb 2, 2010, 8:18pm »
Sorry for the delay in replying to this, Jack; CRM is getting busier..!
When I saw the first picture here I wondered what you were up to, but the result is really good- you've captured the look of these towers really well - I like the imaginative use of stuff not intended for model railways, the sort of thing Bob and others are good at. Possibly a bit of weathering and it'll be difficult to guess the origin of these!
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #81 on Feb 2, 2010, 6:40pm »
Thanks for the input.
If I were to reverse the viewing angle I would go with an additional siding, in front of the re-sited factory, fed by the long traverser. The actual travel distance of the traversers is only the same as that between the two through lines so space in front of them could be used scenically but the sidings at what would become the front of the layout would have no apparent industries, there being little room between them and the running lines and baseboard edge.
The railcar in my photo is stood where the station platfrom will be. I want the passenger service to be a prominent feature as a tell tale that this is an urban area with frequent local services provided on behalf of the city's transit authority.
Also, the front track (as per my plan) will be ballasted indicating the main while the other through line and the industrial spur will be bedded into the dirt and overgrown with weeds. I will be able to have the freight loco and a handful of cars on the back tracks and the RDC shuttling back and forth on the front line with the two completely independent of each other except when the loco needs to use the front line in order to run round. The traversers are both designed to hold the passenger train out of the way while the loco is running round. If the viewing angle were reversed freight operations would need to get in the way of passenger trains more frequently as they moved from the new factory site at the rear to the existing siding at the front. This in mind I'm sticking to my plan.
The highway signs link is good, I was going to look at some photos on line to get the colours right then redo them with my own place names but this site even gets the font right for you.
The short traverser was originally envisaged as serving the three tracks, as Jordan says with access to the centre and one outer track by each road, however I don't want to have to uncouple cars on the industrial spur in order to move the traverser when running round so the spur is to be on terra firma all the way.
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #82 on Feb 2, 2010, 6:26pm »
On John's plan, I'd make the further (short) traverser serve all three tracks; no space problem then behind any fixed track. Or, just to be awkward, if it only served two of the three tracks, make it serve the centre spur and the other outer track to the main one, if you follow...
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Re: High Ercall 20 March 2010 « Result #84 on Feb 2, 2010, 5:13pm »
UPDATE
I have received further details of this event as follows:
High Ercall Model Railway Show on Saturday 20th March 2010
No of Layouts : 14. In N, HO, OO, O and G1 gauges Kit building demonstrators : 2 Trade Stands : 3
10.30 to 4pm Adults £3.00 Children over 5 £1.00
Location is High Ercall Village Hall, Park Lane, High Ercall, Nr Telford, TF6 6AB Just off the B5062 Newport to Shrewsbury Road.
Free on site parking, good modern hall with wheelchair access. Hot food and drinks all day. Organiser's details available on request (against CRM policy to post personal addresses and land line numbers on the forum). Organising club Shropshire O gauge Group
Re: CP Arundale « Result #85 on Feb 2, 2010, 5:13pm »
If you are going for freeways - You can make suitable signs to go at the far end of the bridges with this http://www.kurumi.com/ select the highway one
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Re: CP Arundale « Result #86 on Feb 2, 2010, 4:50pm »
If the viewing side was swapped to side with the 2 cars parked on, putting the rail car at the back would you then be able to have the area in front of both traverser as fully scenic, including the spur that continues under the bridge ? In fact with an additional point you could take a scenic spur in front of the longer traverser ?
the pink line being the line of the backscene .
It would depend how far forward the traversers need to move forward of course, just a thought
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Conrail's CP Arundale « Result #87 on Feb 2, 2010, 1:18pm »
The urban squalor layout now has a name, CP stands for Control Point in US railroad terminology so CP Arundale would be referred to by dispatchers and traincrews during the issuing of train orders. In actual fact Arundale is the name of the County Primary school that my Dad was headmaster of before he retired some twenty odd years ago.
The time is 1985, Conrail's big blue diesels are the mainstay of the motive power but an odd Norfolk Southern loco may be seen on loan from time to time. Why 1985? Because I have a GP60 in EMD demonstrator livery which firmly dates any layout it runs on,
I've been to B&Q in Crewe and got enough 6mm MDF for the base and backscenes, neatly cut into 12 inch strips on their circular saw. The strength for the base will come from a 4x1 off cut of much thicker MDF and also from stripwood frames along the front and read edges.
There is no better way of planning a layout than to do it full size with items of rolling stock to check clearances...
Overall size 5ft x 1ft. The rail bridge (upper right) will probably now be a second road bridge following Jack's suggestion in the previous post. I like that idea and traffic jams on both would conveniently hide the join with the backscene, copying Brian's low relief truck (see Calle de la Coronacion) a few times. The perspective distorts the measurements a bit, but the near traverser is two feet long, just big enough for a GP loco and a pair of 50ft cars, the far traverser is one foot long, enough for an RDC or a loco. The fixed track between the traversers is just two feet long but the factory spur continues under the bridge, along side the short traverser to hold three 50ft cars, and both bridges partially cover the traversers thus extending the scenic area to create the impression of a larger layout with a scenic frontage of about three fifths of the overall length.
Re: Urban Squalor in HO Scale « Result #88 on Feb 2, 2010, 12:38pm »
Another answer might be to have BOTH bridges as a part of a freeway system, with one being an off/on ramp, or an interchange between two Interstates, with the actual junction off scene - that would account for the roads not being on a parallel grid
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Re: Urban Squalor in HO Scale « Result #90 on Feb 2, 2010, 8:59am »
I am now ready to build this layout, especially having declared an interest in the 300 Project which will be used on the US layout when completed.
I think a layout in progress will also be therapeutic at present, so I'm off to Crewe this morning to get the required boards and timber and this thread has been moved from the Planning Office to Route Learning.
Today I am working on a Steve Beattie Diesel kit of a Baby Deltic with head code box the instructions are not worth the paper they're printed on
This build is going to be slow as i have to find & them look at photos of the bit i am building so that i can find the part (no numbering on the etches )
You have my deepest sympathy there, Brian... as you followed my Steve Beattie Class 22 build you'll know I had similar sorts of problems, just made a bit worse as it was my first serious effort at a brass/whitemetal kit... This will be interesting to watch!
Re: Scale scenes « Result #93 on Feb 1, 2010, 7:21pm »
I would endorse Scalescenes. The diesel depot on Western Zenith and the tunnel mouths on Echo Beach were downloaded, printed on A4 photo paper and mounted on card. OK you have to print, stick, cut and stick the pieces together, but I think the finished product is superior to other kits! They also have sheets of building finishes, bricks, stone etc. Once you have paid for the download you can print as many sheets for your own use. Have a look at the website !
Re: Models i am working 7mm class 23 Baby Deltic « Result #94 on Feb 1, 2010, 4:59pm »
Today I am working on a Steve Beattie Diesel kit of a Baby Deltic with head code box the instructions are not warth the paper there printed on I will not have to build the skelinton as it was sent to me all ready built Today i am working on the bogies Well after soldering 32 parts togetter i have now got a set of bogie frames built This build is going to be slow as i have to find & them look at photos of the bit i am building so that i can find the part (no numbering on the etches ) Well heres a pic or to of the Bogie
This morning I couldn't even get in my shed - the padlock is frozen solid!
Wee on the lock, I used to have to do that to get in my car when I lived in Glossop.
Fine at home at 5 AM, but rather embarrassing in the middle of Tescos car park when all the "Yummy Mummies" are arriving having dropped the rugrats at school!
Highway overpass « Result #98 on Feb 1, 2010, 2:14pm »
Well, time to introduce my 300 project.
It'll be a highway overpass, to be used on the BER. Since the layout is 20cm deep, I think I can make the overpass in 300cm^2. It should all be very simple and just disguise the left fiddle yard exit. Not starting right now, so keep those timers at zero still please!
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Re: linka low relief on peco backscene. « Result #99 on Feb 1, 2010, 9:58am »
The combination of low relief buildings and printed sheet makes the layout and backscene blend together much better.
Thanks for sharing the film, that looked like a fair sized show. If it's repeated again this August please feel free to advertise it in Working Timetable.
I've moved this thread to main line so that it will be easier to find if anyone wants to refer back to it. The DCE's office is more for turning over ideas than actual layouts or building tips.
Once a thread in the planning office turns into something more solid than a plan it is transferred either to here in Main Line or, for individual layouts, to the Route Learning section.
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Re: Micro switches for point frogs « Result #100 on Feb 1, 2010, 9:52am »
On Great Tunsley Dale and also on many of my other layouts provision has always been made so that the layouts can be controlled from the front but we still nee a operator behind to access the fiddle yards. What I have found that certain show do not want to allow you any extra space to allow a operator at the front as well as one behind. I feel that being at the front working the layout dose make for better contact with the public. In fact at many show I can be found at the end of the layout talking to the public telling or showing them details on how a certain item or building was made. I have to admit that operating is not something I love to do , its the building of them that I love. Peter
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